Comments on: A rant about PHP compilers in general and HipHop in particular. http://blog.paulbiggar.com/archive/a-rant-about-php-compilers-in-general-and-hiphop-in-particular/ Compilers, open source, and similar. Wed, 13 Jul 2011 21:03:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Bernhard Schmalhofer http://blog.paulbiggar.com/archive/a-rant-about-php-compilers-in-general-and-hiphop-in-particular/#comment-152 Bernhard Schmalhofer Tue, 09 Feb 2010 17:02:07 +0000 http://blog.paulbiggar.com/?p=54#comment-152 Hi, work on Pipp has pretty much stalled in the last year. This is mostly due to me being busy in $DAYJOB. Pipp used to transform the XML-Dump of phc-AST into an AST that is usable by Parrot. The stylesheets are still in the Github repo, but I haven't kept it synchronised with changes in phc and Parrot. The neat idea with Parrot is that languages running on top of Parrot can share their modules. Regards, Bernhard Hi,

work on Pipp has pretty much stalled in the last year. This is mostly due to me being busy in $DAYJOB.
Pipp used to transform the XML-Dump of phc-AST into an AST that is usable by Parrot. The stylesheets are still in the Github repo, but
I haven’t kept it synchronised with changes in phc and Parrot.

The neat idea with Parrot is that languages running on top of Parrot can share their modules.

Regards,
Bernhard

]]> By: Bernhard Schmalhofer http://blog.paulbiggar.com/archive/a-rant-about-php-compilers-in-general-and-hiphop-in-particular/#comment-223 Bernhard Schmalhofer Tue, 09 Feb 2010 17:02:00 +0000 http://blog.paulbiggar.com/?p=54#comment-223 Hi, work on Pipp has pretty much stalled in the last year. This is mostly due to me being busy in $DAYJOB. Pipp used to transform the XML-Dump of phc-AST into an AST that is usable by Parrot. The stylesheets are still in the Github repo, but I haven't kept it synchronised with changes in phc and Parrot. The neat idea with Parrot is that languages running on top of Parrot can share their modules. Regards, Bernhard Hi,

work on Pipp has pretty much stalled in the last year. This is mostly due to me being busy in $DAYJOB.
Pipp used to transform the XML-Dump of phc-AST into an AST that is usable by Parrot. The stylesheets are still in the Github repo, but
I haven’t kept it synchronised with changes in phc and Parrot.

The neat idea with Parrot is that languages running on top of Parrot can share their modules.

Regards,
Bernhard

]]> By: Paul Biggar http://blog.paulbiggar.com/archive/a-rant-about-php-compilers-in-general-and-hiphop-in-particular/#comment-150 Paul Biggar Tue, 09 Feb 2010 09:12:22 +0000 http://blog.paulbiggar.com/?p=54#comment-150 Well, PHP already runs in a virtual machine. If you mean a JITted virtual machine, then sure, that would be faster. But JITs are hard to write. If you mean a bytecode-interpreter, which is how most virtual machines including Parrot are written, then it wouldn't necessarily be any faster. In practice it might be, since the Zend engine is quite poor. but I don't know how good Parrot is. There have been a few projects to run PHP on Parrot, I think Pipp used to use phc, but maybe doesn't anymore. Well, PHP already runs in a virtual machine. If you mean a JITted virtual machine, then sure, that would be faster. But JITs are hard to write. If you mean a bytecode-interpreter, which is how most virtual machines including Parrot are written, then it wouldn’t necessarily be any faster. In practice it might be, since the Zend engine is quite poor. but I don’t know how good Parrot is.

There have been a few projects to run PHP on Parrot, I think Pipp used to use phc, but maybe doesn’t anymore.

]]> By: Anonymous http://blog.paulbiggar.com/archive/a-rant-about-php-compilers-in-general-and-hiphop-in-particular/#comment-222 Anonymous Tue, 09 Feb 2010 09:12:00 +0000 http://blog.paulbiggar.com/?p=54#comment-222 Well, PHP already runs in a virtual machine. If you mean a JITted virtual machine, then sure, that would be faster. But JITs are hard to write. If you mean a bytecode-interpreter, which is how most virtual machines including Parrot are written, then it wouldn't necessarily be any faster. In practice it might be, since the Zend engine is quite poor. but I don't know how good Parrot is. There have been a few projects to run PHP on Parrot, I think Pipp used to use phc, but maybe doesn't anymore. Well, PHP already runs in a virtual machine. If you mean a JITted virtual machine, then sure, that would be faster. But JITs are hard to write. If you mean a bytecode-interpreter, which is how most virtual machines including Parrot are written, then it wouldn’t necessarily be any faster. In practice it might be, since the Zend engine is quite poor. but I don’t know how good Parrot is.

There have been a few projects to run PHP on Parrot, I think Pipp used to use phc, but maybe doesn’t anymore.

]]> By: András Bártházi http://blog.paulbiggar.com/archive/a-rant-about-php-compilers-in-general-and-hiphop-in-particular/#comment-149 András Bártházi Tue, 09 Feb 2010 08:41:20 +0000 http://blog.paulbiggar.com/?p=54#comment-149 What about using a virtual machine for running PHP, like Parrot? Do you think it would be faster than a current implementation? What about using a virtual machine for running PHP, like Parrot? Do you think it would be faster than a current implementation?

]]> By: András Bártházi http://blog.paulbiggar.com/archive/a-rant-about-php-compilers-in-general-and-hiphop-in-particular/#comment-221 András Bártházi Tue, 09 Feb 2010 08:41:00 +0000 http://blog.paulbiggar.com/?p=54#comment-221 What about using a virtual machine for running PHP, like Parrot? Do you think it would be faster than a current implementation? What about using a virtual machine for running PHP, like Parrot? Do you think it would be faster than a current implementation?

]]> By: A fellow student http://blog.paulbiggar.com/archive/a-rant-about-php-compilers-in-general-and-hiphop-in-particular/#comment-144 A fellow student Mon, 08 Feb 2010 23:51:03 +0000 http://blog.paulbiggar.com/?p=54#comment-144 The concept of a PHP compiler is hugely novel. I want to make my PHP go faster. I know that compiled languages are generally faster than interpreted langauges and VMs and such, but its such a big leap to make that converting the PHP constructs into C-Style data structures will result in a performance increase. I read your thesis and looked at your code after the first time I saw you on Reddit. There are such grand claims to be made about the analyser's coverage and code generation ability, that I'm impressed at what a competent developer you must be. So yes, HPHP is great, because it's a PHP compiler and you're one of the first guys to do it. i'm so sad that you aren't getting more recognition for your research. I lament that you "stopped liking PHP" and that you didn't continue with the project. <strong>[Editor's note: Actually, this guy said the opposite, but in such a dickish way that I decided to childishly write over it. If "a fellow student" wants to make his point without acting like a prick, I'm happy to listen to criticism.]</strong> The concept of a PHP compiler is hugely novel. I want to make my PHP go faster. I know that compiled languages are generally faster than interpreted langauges and VMs and such, but its such a big leap to make that converting the PHP constructs into C-Style data structures will result in a performance increase.

I read your thesis and looked at your code after the first time I saw you on Reddit. There are such grand claims to be made about the analyser’s coverage and code generation ability, that I’m impressed at what a competent developer you must be.

So yes, HPHP is great, because it’s a PHP compiler and you’re one of the first guys to do it. i’m so sad that you aren’t getting more recognition for your research. I lament that you “stopped liking PHP” and that you didn’t continue with the project.

[Editor's note: Actually, this guy said the opposite, but in such a dickish way that I decided to childishly write over it. If "a fellow student" wants to make his point without acting like a prick, I'm happy to listen to criticism.]

]]> By: A fellow student http://blog.paulbiggar.com/archive/a-rant-about-php-compilers-in-general-and-hiphop-in-particular/#comment-220 A fellow student Mon, 08 Feb 2010 23:51:00 +0000 http://blog.paulbiggar.com/?p=54#comment-220 The concept of a PHP compiler is hugely novel. I want to make my PHP go faster. I know that compiled languages are generally faster than interpreted langauges and VMs and such, but its such a big leap to make that converting the PHP constructs into C-Style data structures will result in a performance increase. I read your thesis and looked at your code after the first time I saw you on Reddit. There are such grand claims to be made about the analyser's coverage and code generation ability, that I'm impressed at what a competent developer you must be. So yes, HPHP is great, because it's a PHP compiler and you're one of the first guys to do it. i'm so sad that you aren't getting more recognition for your research. I lament that you "stopped liking PHP" and that you didn't continue with the project. <strong>[Editor's note: Actually, this guy said the opposite, but in such a dickish way that I decided to childishly write over it. If "a fellow student" wants to make his point without acting like a prick, I'm happy to listen to criticism.]</strong> The concept of a PHP compiler is hugely novel. I want to make my PHP go faster. I know that compiled languages are generally faster than interpreted langauges and VMs and such, but its such a big leap to make that converting the PHP constructs into C-Style data structures will result in a performance increase.

I read your thesis and looked at your code after the first time I saw you on Reddit. There are such grand claims to be made about the analyser’s coverage and code generation ability, that I’m impressed at what a competent developer you must be.

So yes, HPHP is great, because it’s a PHP compiler and you’re one of the first guys to do it. i’m so sad that you aren’t getting more recognition for your research. I lament that you “stopped liking PHP” and that you didn’t continue with the project.

[Editor's note: Actually, this guy said the opposite, but in such a dickish way that I decided to childishly write over it. If "a fellow student" wants to make his point without acting like a prick, I'm happy to listen to criticism.]

]]> By: Arya Reais-Parsi http://blog.paulbiggar.com/archive/a-rant-about-php-compilers-in-general-and-hiphop-in-particular/#comment-142 Arya Reais-Parsi Mon, 08 Feb 2010 22:28:10 +0000 http://blog.paulbiggar.com/?p=54#comment-142 This blog post of yours, good sir, is just brilliant. This blog post of yours, good sir, is just brilliant.

]]> By: Arya Reais-Parsi http://blog.paulbiggar.com/archive/a-rant-about-php-compilers-in-general-and-hiphop-in-particular/#comment-219 Arya Reais-Parsi Mon, 08 Feb 2010 22:28:00 +0000 http://blog.paulbiggar.com/?p=54#comment-219 This blog post of yours, good sir, is just brilliant. This blog post of yours, good sir, is just brilliant.

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